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Yahoo’s delicious meal!

I wanted to start this entry congratulating with Joshua for the deal. But I won’t.
Tha facts: the web site delicious have been sold to Yahoo!.

I personally don’t dislike Yahoo. I positively hate them. For having eaten and raped startup websites, one after the other. For being totally obscure in terms of contact with the public. For refusing to answer e-mails. For being so big that they can just claim: “we are too big to answer your e-mails”. We can ignore you, and trample on you; we will not even notice. I have something personal with them from the moment they deleted my web page back in 2003; and with it all the material inside; which included some preprints of academic papers I wrote; some of them I had in single copy. I hate yahoo because they don’t get what is the web2.0 and they try hard to copy it. And when they fail in copying it, they try to buy it. As if you could buy a community. As if you could own a community. As if you could buy a language and the agreement to keep the data open.

So maybe I should congratulate with Joshua for having sold something which had no price for some real and tangible money. But I still will not. Because delicious was not only a community. It was also an experiment. A place for us geeks to meet and discuss. A place where we were changing the web. Yes WE were changing the web through our ideas. And Joshua was good in picking the best ideas. Inviting us to give more. Now do you really think this will continue under Yahoo!’s reign? Forget it! At least for my part.

But this is not the reason why I shall not congratulate with Joshua. No I shall not congratulate with him because he could have made it. Because delicious was clearly, and recognised, the best bookmarking service on the web. And with the whole community behind giving suggestion it was prosperous and growing. Because people have pleaded him to start charging, or put advertisments, or do something, but let us pay for it. Because we knew. We knew he could not possibly pay off it all by himself. And we were happy to join in. We were happy to pay. How many services are you aware of where the costumers ask to pay for them? Few indeed!

Of all the people who have commented the action I feel the person who better captures my feelings is Ronald Johnson, who comments:

Some lessons to learn here:

  1. Never trust a startup service to store your important data no matter how the owner seems honest to you. Sooner or later he/she will run away with the money and YOUR data.
  2. Never trust a corporate entity to continue storing your important data. Now that they stole your data, you are subjected to the user-specific ads and they abuse you no matter how strong you cry.
  3. Never act like a fanboy on services you don’t trust. Instead, invest your time and knowledge on open source projects to ensure your efforts are never sold to third party evils.

I have to add, one of the thing I found most disturbing was the form whith which Joshua announced it. In evidence the words that I found most disturbing:

We’re proud to announce that del.icio.us has joined the Yahoo! family. Together we’ll continue to improve how people discover, remember and share on the Internet, with a big emphasis on the power of community. We’re excited to be working with the Yahoo! Search team – they definitely get social systems and their potential to change the web. (We’re also excited to be joining our fraternal twin Flickr!)

We want to thank everyone who has helped us along the way – our employees, our great investors and advisors, and especially our users. We still want to get your feedback, and we look forward to bringing you new features and more servers in the future.

I look forward to continuing my vision of social and community memory, and taking it to the next level with the del.icio.us community and Yahoo!

The post stinks of corporate declaration, and has already signed the destiny of delicious as just another piece in the yahoo puzzle. A more honest post would have spoken of the money that was passed. How they made an offer that could not be refused. Of the risks of the passage. It would still make people upset, but we might have felt that it was coming from Joshua and not through Joshua, from the Yahoo P.R. office.

All this calls for some actions, for I really don’t want to support Yahoo; and if all I can do is passive resistance, then that’s what I shall do!

  1. I shall look for a good alternative to Yahoo, ehm, I mean del.icio.us. The folks at slashdot suggest Simpy.
  2. I want to look better at microformats, and in particular at rel-tag. It might be possible to install a small bookmarking service on site, and then have it send standard info to the community at large. In this way I would not be vulnerable anymore to the next Yahoo! acquisition.
  3. While I am there I should also look for ways to get out of Flickr (who has been acquire by Y! too). Don’t miss the wonderful description of the mess Yahoo is doing with the Flickr signup page. There I also heard that 23hq might be a good alternative. Still I would prefer something on site that speaks a common language.
  4. I have to decide what to do with the Delicious Mind Map Maker. You see, I really don’t want to support Yahoo. Not even indirectly. So I am tempted to take it offline. But if I find a better service, and it is bound to be there now that other geeks will start migrating to come out of the belly of the beast, I might just modify it to sustain this other service. Nothing have been decided yet.
  5. And then I might instead develop my own service or help someone else develop their service, using the tagclouds ideas I spoke about early.
  6. And last but not least, there is the possibility that I might develop the famous search utility I have been speaking about. Up to now, apart the constraints in time, what really stopped me where ethical reasons. Joshua asked people not to screenscrape delicious, so I felt I would abide by his request. I surely did not want to tax the servers of a poor hacker. But now the ‘poor’ hacker have sold the golden eggs’ hen, and walked away with tons of cash. And I am sure Yahoo will not even notice if I start screenscraping them. At least until they start putting all sorts of advertisments which might make it too hard to do. Hmm, active resistance might have some attraction!

So I probably should congratulate with Joshua. He sold a bunch of quite simple and useless code to Yahoo. He prospected them the possibility to have a great and creative community. Now all he has to do is walk away with the cash, start a delicious clone and we will all be more than happy to join him in the new adventure. Hell! We will not even ask for our part of the booty. Although we might ask for a dinner in a good restaurant.
And I think that’s just fair.

ADDENDUM:
After reading all the comments on slashdot I found a link to a page with most bookmarking services compared. It is a bit old, so not totally updated. But yet it gives some good overviews and can be used for some good pre-screening. Also the maintainer of Simpy, Otis, wrote a long comment explaining how he might even adapt the code to make the mindmap work for that too!

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18 comments to Yahoo’s delicious meal!

  • Sorry for double trackbacking. Good article, indeed, one of the best I’ve read about the topic.

  • Here in Germany bloggers are flamed, then executed and eaten by trolls if they trackback too much. Have you already decided where to move your bookmarks?

  • Pietro: Wow! While there are a lot of negative emotions in this post, and it is too bad that you are feeling this way now, I am amazed at the amount of emotions put in this post! I’ve read other posts with this tone, but none this strong! (just picked up my jaw from the desk).

    In defense of Joshua – it was probably his VCs that sold del.icio.us, not he himself. And yes, that announcment is not the deep-from-the-heart-spontaneous- -outpour-of-sudden-happiness, it’s exactly what you said – a prepared mini-speech.

    I remember reading one of your pieces about social bookmarking. It must have been a year ago or so. I don’t remember the details, but I do remember noding. I would be honoured if you would consider Simpy as your new bookmarks home, and I’d love it if you’d consider adapting Mind Mapper to work with Simpy. If you need any help (e.g. additional APIs), I’d be happy to work on that.

    Unlike del.icio.us, Simpy has _no_ VC money (heh, or any other type of money, other than my own pennies). You will see Simpy in Kossatsch’s nice Social Bookmarks PDF, although I’m not sure if all new Simpy features are there (e.g. tag clouds, groups).

  • The document is not really up-to-date, del.icio.us (bad word from now on), Connotea and Netvouz had several updates; Shadows, StumbleUpon and Yahoo MyWeb (another bad word) will be added. But this will last several weeks.

  • ciao Pietro,

    non si dice ‘congratulate with’, solo ‘congratulate’… detto questo, I agree with every word of this – in fact you’ve saved me the trouble of writing a very similar post myself. What I will probably write about is the responses to that del.icio.us blog post – I could understand people accepting this or even thinking it would have good results in the long run, but the positive enthusiasm expressed by many people really baffles me.

  • Very interesting post. I’ve been going through similar battles myself in trying to find a bookmark manager that I can stick with. Good luck and hope to hear more about your quest.

  • Oh, feel free to trackback as much as you want. :)

  • Ciao Phil,
    thanks for the correction. I corrected the article and I am quite sure I shall not make this error again ;)
    I think the reason why we see so many positive reactions is that few people indeed feel like going to Joshua and saying how bad do they feel about it. But notice how many congratulate him “personally”. Which is a bit like saying: “You made it, and now you are rich, and because this is also our dream we congratulate you”. But many avoid to say how they really feel about it. Look also at the discussion group. About 10 people congratulated (out of maybe a hundred that are reading it). And at least one was working for Y! and another congratulated ‘personally’. It doesn’t seem like a big outpur of happiness.

  • Kossatsch:
    No. I printed your page, and I was going to look at it in the next days. I also wanted to update the post with a link to it.

  • Wujimon,
    nice Taoist blog you have.
    We seem to have a couple of passions in common.

  • Hello Otis,
    thanks for your post. Of course we should try to get the mindmap maker to work with your service. This regardless of what service do I chose to use. Right now I am still in the evaluation process. But don’t be that happy to have me among your crew. I can be quite an annoying prick when I need a new feature, or so.

    Btw, my first problem with your service was in the privacy policy. According to Kossatsch you do offer the data to third parties. You know how sensible I am in this regard. Reading your privacy policy seems that you just say that if you sell the company the data will get sold in the process too. Could you clarify?

    Right now I am also looking at the 3 open source project we have: Delirious, Scuttle and Unalog. I installed a version of Scuttle for my personal use and I am waiting for delicious to turn on again the API to test it. Social bookmarking is not much fun done alone so I think I shall still use a social service. Although I might keep a copy of the bookmarks on site just to test my crazy ideas.

    Pietro

  • Thanks, Pietro. Just a little something to add to the mix of my training :)

  • Ya.hool.icio.us

    Wir haben es alle gehört, entweder da (early spreader), da (aus eigenem Munde) oder da (wo es einen lesenwerten Hinweis auf das neue Flickr-Anmeldung via Yahoo gibt).

    Zu den Bedenkenträgern zähle ich mich – ebenso wie Nico Lumma – seh…

  • Ya.hool.icio.us

    Wir haben es alle gehört, entweder da (early spreader), da (aus eigenem Munde) oder da (wo es einen lesenwerten Hinweis auf das neue Flickr-Anmeldung via Yahoo gibt).

    Zu den Bedenkenträgern zähle ich mich – ebenso wie Nico Lumma – seh…

  • Reaksjoner p salget av del.icio.us

    Norwegian blog entry on the Yahoo/del.icio.us sellout

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  • [...] delicious was not only a community. It was also an experiment. A place for us geeks to meet and discuss. A place where we were changing the Web. Yes, WE were changing the Web through our ideas. And Joshua was good in picking the best ideas. Inviting us to give more. Now do you really think this will continue under Yahoo!’s reign? – Pietro [...]

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