Comments on: Tag Clouds are hard to Spam http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/ Pietro Speroni di Fenizio's web log Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:15:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The cloud of knowing « The gaping silence http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-203 The cloud of knowing « The gaping silence Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:52:51 +0000 http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/#comment-203 [...] conclusions. If ‘cloudiness’ is a universal condition, del.icio.us and flickr and tag clouds and so forth don’t enable us to do anything new; what they are giving us is a live [...] [...] conclusions. If ‘cloudiness’ is a universal condition, del.icio.us and flickr and tag clouds and so forth don’t enable us to do anything new; what they are giving us is a live [...]

]]> By: Authority you can respect « The gaping silence http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-202 Authority you can respect « The gaping silence Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:47:09 +0000 http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/#comment-202 [...] “if Pietro was right, and Dave was right (and I was right about how they fit together), does that mean Shelley [...] [...] “if Pietro was right, and Dave was right (and I was right about how they fit together), does that mean Shelley [...]

]]> By: securiour http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-201 securiour Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:01:07 +0000 http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/#comment-201 We are using tags as a new thing. Tags have benefits but there is a ptential of loss also. As tagging is a new thing in blogging the search engines are just viewing the results but if in future the peoples uses tags as spam or increasing site rank then the search engines authority may take action against the sites using too many tags. I think moderate use of tagging is ok but using 100 tags with one post is unfair. We are using tags as a new thing. Tags have benefits but there is a ptential of loss also. As tagging is a new thing in blogging the search engines are just viewing the results but if in future the peoples uses tags as spam or increasing site rank then the search engines authority may take action against the sites using too many tags. I think moderate use of tagging is ok but using 100 tags with one post is unfair.

]]> By: P. S. : » The Italian blog is born: reasons and technicalities http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-200 P. S. : » The Italian blog is born: reasons and technicalities Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:36:59 +0000 http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/#comment-200 [...] I also fixed a small feature in wordpress which from my POV has become a bug. Most of you have noticed that I assign many categories to the same post. I use them as tags, and I have explained before how I think we should be generous in tagging. Well, wordpress categories weren’t really designed for this, and although they changed a bit the code in Wordpress 2.0 to give the possibility to create new categories as you assign them, they were really not considering having people using hundreds of categories. Which is not that big number if you consider them as tags, and you consider that you might easily reach a vocabulary of few thousand keywords. So every time I would open the “edit post” page, I would only receive some categories. This was not only annoying, it was also very unfortunate, because I had to redefine all the categories again, or when I where to save the post, all the categories that did not appear where taken off. Very annoying. I asked for help in the wordpress forum, but no one came in my rescue. Then one morning, playing with mysql, I noticed that some categories had a parent which was not present anymore, and they would eventually not appear. Once I fixed that still the number of categories appearing in the edit post page had risen, but was not complete. I counted them: 100. A nice round number that sounds like someone’s decision. I went to the code. Played around, looked, poked, and finally I found the following line: function return_categories_list($parent = 0) { global $wpdb; return $wpdb->get_col("SELECT cat_ID FROM $wpdb->categories WHERE category_parent = $parent ORDER BY category_count DESC LIMIT 100"); } [...] [...] I also fixed a small feature in wordpress which from my POV has become a bug. Most of you have noticed that I assign many categories to the same post. I use them as tags, and I have explained before how I think we should be generous in tagging. Well, wordpress categories weren’t really designed for this, and although they changed a bit the code in WordPress 2.0 to give the possibility to create new categories as you assign them, they were really not considering having people using hundreds of categories. Which is not that big number if you consider them as tags, and you consider that you might easily reach a vocabulary of few thousand keywords. So every time I would open the “edit post” page, I would only receive some categories. This was not only annoying, it was also very unfortunate, because I had to redefine all the categories again, or when I where to save the post, all the categories that did not appear where taken off. Very annoying. I asked for help in the wordpress forum, but no one came in my rescue. Then one morning, playing with mysql, I noticed that some categories had a parent which was not present anymore, and they would eventually not appear. Once I fixed that still the number of categories appearing in the edit post page had risen, but was not complete. I counted them: 100. A nice round number that sounds like someone’s decision. I went to the code. Played around, looked, poked, and finally I found the following line: function return_categories_list($parent = 0) { global $wpdb; return $wpdb->get_col(“SELECT cat_ID FROM $wpdb->categories WHERE category_parent = $parent ORDER BY category_count DESC LIMIT 100″); } [...]

]]> By: Pietro http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-198 Pietro Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:45:07 +0000 http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/#comment-198 Interesting, So, have you actually implemented it? Up to now I have been very deluded by how everybody keeps focusing on tag-sets, more than on tag-clouds. Could you give us more details? Pietro Interesting, So, have you actually implemented it?
Up to now I have been very deluded by how everybody keeps focusing on tag-sets, more than on tag-clouds.

Could you give us more details?

Pietro

]]> By: 88tags http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-199 88tags Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:28:33 +0000 http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/#comment-199 what a good article, that's helpful for our tags site! what a good article, that’s helpful for our tags site!

]]> By: bonhamled http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-197 bonhamled Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:18:12 +0000 http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/#comment-197 sorry, dumb fingers. Thank you for the comment. Another hint..the way to reach a Juventus 3 - Milan 3 follows the same rule that you have found: permutations with repetitions, probably you will know but it is a pleasure for me to remember my old friend mathematics. sorry, dumb fingers.

Thank you for the comment.

Another hint..the way to reach a Juventus 3 – Milan 3 follows the same rule that you have found: permutations with repetitions, probably you will know but it is a pleasure for me to remember my old friend mathematics.

]]> By: bonhamled http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-196 bonhamled Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:07:13 +0000 http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/#comment-196 Impressive comment. Very very interesting and thank you for posting in my blog. You are right it is possible to spam in tagging urls but not in tag clouds. It is very interesting how the matematics you have under goes from permutation without repetitions (n! / ((n-m)! * m!) to permutations: n! / (n-m)! By the way Impressive comment. Very very interesting and thank you for posting in my blog. You are right it is possible to spam in tagging urls but not in tag clouds. It is very interesting how the matematics you have under goes from permutation without repetitions (n! / ((n-m)! * m!) to permutations: n! / (n-m)!

By the way

]]> By: Generator.x: Software and generative strategies in art and design http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-195 Generator.x: Software and generative strategies in art and design Tue, 02 Aug 2005 00:32:56 +0000 http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/#comment-195 <strong>More on tags, mindmaps and folksonomy</strong> Pietro Speroni: Delimind Tags have become so popular, they have become an object of scientific study. The new term folksonomy describes “a practice of collaborative categorization using freely chosen keywords”. It’s called folkson... More on tags, mindmaps and folksonomy

Pietro Speroni: Delimind
Tags have become so popular, they have become an object of scientific study. The new term folksonomy describes “a practice of collaborative categorization using freely chosen keywords”. It’s called folkson…

]]> By: TechCrunch http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-194 TechCrunch Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:50:05 +0000 http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/06/07/tag-clouds-and-spam/#comment-194 <strong>Profile: TagCloud</strong> Service: TagCloud Launched: June 2005 Location: Bellwood, PA Status: Corporate name is IonZoft What is it? TagCloud is a service that generates a “tagcloud” (see below) based on provided URLs or feeds. A tagcloud is basically a grou... Profile: TagCloud

Service: TagCloud

Launched: June 2005
Location: Bellwood, PA
Status: Corporate name is IonZoft
What is it?
TagCloud is a service that generates a “tagcloud” (see below) based on provided URLs or feeds. A tagcloud is basically a grou…

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