Tagsurf first review
This is going to be big. It’s called tagsurf. When we were setting up the taoist discussion board, at Tao Bums, I was looking for a board that permitted me to tag individual messages with different tags. The reason is that over there we are now a group of friendly people and every thread start with a topic, but often touches many separate ones. The board had to be in PhP for reasons only knew to the web master, but that we all were happy to follow. So we started looking around, but no board with tagging facility went up. Nothing. I had to admit that the idea was quite new, and I have not seen any such board around in any case. And then we decided for phpBB which being open source would have had new versions with any new cool geeky thing appearing every so often. Well. Now I finally found the first tag based discussion board. It’s called tagsurf. And is very cool. You get to write messages and tag them. As tag you can use any word up to any size. Now, the result of this is that you can tag thing with the url of something. So immediatly a series of utilities started appearing:
People (first one I saw doing it was Russell Beattie) added a tagsurf button. In short if you click on that button you get all the comments on tagsurf that uses your permalink as a tag. In a sense it is outsourcing the discussion board.
Yes, I added it too, is down near the little technoraty bubble, and I just needed to add:
<a href="http://tagsurf.com/post?tag=<?php the_permalink() ?>">Tagsurf this</a>
in the template.
I also went back to see how was tagsurf behaving in del.icio.us. It seem that, as it often appear in other cases, the meme is 6 days old. At the beginning few people noticed it, and now is starting to explode. I too found out because of the delicious discussion board, which I would suggest anybody who is interested to anybody who is interested in delicious OR folksonomy
I think this tagsurf will and can have great impact. They already have some API defined.
I also got an eye to their privacy policy. It seemed simple and clear. Yet now I cannot find it anymore. I suspect that they might be working on it right now.
I also made a small bookmarklet to post an entry on tagsurf about a specific page. Just drag the word bookmarklet on the bar and it should work. Of course for it to work you have to be logged in in tagsurf.
- Great points:
- trackback: every post gets is an entry point for trackback. In other words anything you say can receive trackback from anything else. You say something here, and it get people in the blogsphere chatting. And you can follow their conversation. This is something very important that was missing in all the bullettin board I have been using. In a sense many discussion board are only looking in. This is also looking out.
- trackback 2: Every post that you make can send trackback to anything you want. The software to do this automagically respect to the other posts inside tagsurf is still missing, but I can’t imagine it not appearing very soon.
- possibility to mix different threads: since each post gets as many tags as the poster want it is quite easy for people to join different threads of discussion.
- Problems I might see coming.
- Spam, spam, spam: I recieve about 30 spam trackbacks a day. And they get filtered by cool programs and finally deleted by me. Yet those programs need me to make the final judgement. Who will make the judgement for all the trackbacks in all those posts? Will the user have to? Can someone close the trackback from his own posts? I see many problem and much discussion over here.
- copyright: This is another big one. Let’s say that I post a cool entry in tagsurf, who gets the copyright of it? It might be important. Imagine that someone takes it, and wants to add some extra tags. But adding tags is not allowed at the moment. So he copies the post and just reposts it with the extra tags. Do I have a say on it?
All together I think this is a wonderful piece of new technology. When tachnoraty started his tag page I wasn’t very impressed, but this, I think, will make some huge effects. And still I can’t see all the implications.
ADDENDUM: just as I ended this post I read fully the great and very interesting post from Russell Beattie. And I found that he had made exactly the same bookmarklet. Oops. Well, I hope he will not sue me, I haven’t copied his code. I just reinvented the wheel.
ADDENDUM to the ADDENDUM: As I was looking at all the people who were commenting on the thread on Russell post I noticed another post with the same bookmarklet. And I thought I would have been the first
. At least I get to see if the trackback to posts over there actually works.
ADDENDUM to the ADDENDUMto the ADDENDUM: trackback does not seem to work, or the comment is being held back for security reasons
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You seem to have removed the “tagsurf button” you describe (above) placing “down near the little technoraty bubble.”
May I ask why?
I did think of removing it, but right now is still there, near the permalink at the end of the post. Are you sure your browser is downloading the bubble from technorati?
And I did thought of taking it off, becuause I realised that if people comment there, I am more likely to miss the comment. The technology is still far from perfect.
I see it now. Sorry. I was looking over in the right hand column, at the link to your Technorati profile – stupidly, of course. You put it where it ought to go.
Just posted to tagsurf suggesting they enable “watching” of URLs so that you could be notified when someone posted with a link to blog.pietrosperoni.it/*, e.g. I take it this would help to alleviate your concern about missing comments. I included a Trackback to this blog entry – which functionality is new to Tagsurf, I believe, but it may not be.
I haven’t used trackbacks a lot. I take it you, the recipient in this case, can do with them what you will, i.e., ignore them, or add them as a comment, or whatever. Is that right?…
In any case, re Tagsurf: Yes, obviously it’s still alpha, and under active development. Increasing the user base can make it much more useful, of course, which I think would be a Good Thing, so I would encourage you *not* to remove the link, and instead to look for the URL watching functionality – or even second my feature request for same(!)
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